When I purchased Deets he was completely wild. I have worked with him and have him leading and taking a saddle with packs. I have walked him around my property and town with the saddle and packs; however, he has not been on any pack trips with me yet. Deets still needs work. He is still a little jumpy when being walked. What I mean is that if someone comes up behind him unexpectedly he iwill start. I just have not had enough time working with him yet.